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shortly before the film release i got around to purchasing and perusing the graphic novel of Watchmen.

What a story, the film is a decent adaptation but i'm irked by the change of ending (i can see why it had to happen for the film) but the characters are cool. my particular favourites are The Comedian and Dr. Manhattan. they seem to have gradually left their humanity behind, become dis-illusioned with the world and both end up having to be removed to ensure world peace.

my only downer is Rorshach shouldn't have been killed, i watched a documentary with Alan Moore in and he says something like: he had to kill Rorschach off as someone that sick shouldn't be allowed to exist.

not sure i agree. a sequel/prequel of him busting some ass would've been epic.

also, the league of extraordinary gentlemen is pretty good, ignore the film though.

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Rorschach was too committed to his ideals. If he survived, it would have fucked up everything the story was working towards.
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I actually wrote the film off as total gash. Still not read the graphic novel. I would have liked to see more of the olde days of the Watchmen before society tossed them aside. Seeing the surge in prequels recently, maybe it'll happen.
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You have to read it. Definitely worth your time.

I doubt it he'll do a prequel. If Alan Moore were to return to that story and start messing with it, fans would go apeshit. Besides, Moore doesn't seem to be the type to do that anyway.
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Rorschach was too committed to his ideals. If he survived, it would have fucked up everything the story was working towards.
Yep. He wouldn't have let matters sit, and probably would've revealed everything that happened. As it stands there is still the threat that the diary will do that, but it's an open question as to whether people take it seriously or not, especially because of the publication he sent it to.

Moore wouldn't do a prequel but at this rate I wouldn't put it past DC to commission someone else to do one. There actually is a video game prequel that doesn't look all that bad.

@Moore's other comics, make sure you read From Hell as well. Again, the film was utter bollocks and had nothing to do with the GN, but the actual GN is amazing. That said, the films of V for Vendetta and Watchmen were pretty good.
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The Supreme Court says pornography is anything without artistic merit that causes sexual thoughts, that's their definition, essentially. No artistic merit, causes sexual thoughts. Hmm... Sounds like...every commercial on television, doesn't it? You know, when I see those two twins on that Doublemint commercial? I'm not thinking of gum. I am thinking of chewing, so maybe that's the connection they're trying to make.

I have this feeling man, 'cause you know, it's just a handful of people who run everything, you know... that's true, it's provable. It's not... I'm not a fucking conspiracy nut; it's provable. A handful, a very small elite, run and own these corporations, which include the mainstream media. I have this feeling that whoever is elected president, like Clinton was, no matter what you promise on the campaign trail – blah, blah, blah – when you win, you go into this smoke-filled room with the twelve industrialist capitalist scumfucks who got you in there. And you're in this smoky room, and this little film screen comes down, and a big guy with a cigar goes, "Roll the film." And it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before that looks suspiciously like it's from the grassy knoll. And then the screen goes up and the lights come up, and they go to the new president, "Any questions?" "Er, just what my agenda is." "First we bomb Baghdad." "You got it..."

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i played Watchmen: The end is nigh part 1 & 2. It's not that bad and goes into greater depths on events mentioned in the book (woodward and bernstein and underboss) and also goes into how much of an asshole The Comedian really was AND shows what instigated the break up of the Nite Owl/Rorschach partnership. it plays how you'd imagine Streets Of Rage to play if they remade it today.

i definitely want to read more Alan Moore GN's. started with LXG and found them to be pretty amazing. their take on War Of The Worlds was really impressive (and Hyde calling aliens "SKYWOGS!" is always hilarious in my book.
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I assumed you'd read V for Vendetta. If you haven't, read it. It most directly addresses Moore's political philosophy (although you shouldn't make the mistake of assuming the title character is an author avatar just because they're both anarchists; the story is left deliberately open-ended with many of V's actions being presented as morally questionable).

I should play The End Is Nigh, probably.
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moar I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. "I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs." "I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking." "Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!" "Shut up! Go back to bed, America! Your government is in control. Here's Love Connection. Watch this and get fat and stupid. By the way, keep drinking beer, you fucking morons."

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The Supreme Court says pornography is anything without artistic merit that causes sexual thoughts, that's their definition, essentially. No artistic merit, causes sexual thoughts. Hmm... Sounds like...every commercial on television, doesn't it? You know, when I see those two twins on that Doublemint commercial? I'm not thinking of gum. I am thinking of chewing, so maybe that's the connection they're trying to make.

I have this feeling man, 'cause you know, it's just a handful of people who run everything, you know... that's true, it's provable. It's not... I'm not a fucking conspiracy nut; it's provable. A handful, a very small elite, run and own these corporations, which include the mainstream media. I have this feeling that whoever is elected president, like Clinton was, no matter what you promise on the campaign trail – blah, blah, blah – when you win, you go into this smoke-filled room with the twelve industrialist capitalist scumfucks who got you in there. And you're in this smoky room, and this little film screen comes down, and a big guy with a cigar goes, "Roll the film." And it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before that looks suspiciously like it's from the grassy knoll. And then the screen goes up and the lights come up, and they go to the new president, "Any questions?" "Er, just what my agenda is." "First we bomb Baghdad." "You got it..."

I thought the whole thing was an absolute disaster and a débâcle. And if any of you had been watching public access and seen the footage which was not shown on any major news media source... of the tanks, Bradley tanks shooting fire into the compound. Which I think went against the party line story, which was that they shot tear gas in order to help the mothers and the children to get out to convince 'em. While they're destroying the compound, they're getting mom and children out, you see. The soft sell is definitely the FBI's way. And anyway, so the major news said that the Branch Davidians started the fire, if I'm not mistaken. Correct me when I go off the story here. All they did was shoot in tear gas? And yet I've seen with my own eyes, and my squeegeed third eye, footage of a Bradley tank shooting fire into the compound, which... isn't that odd that no major news source has picked up on that? You think that's newsworthy? 'Cause that basically means that the government, from the FBI, the ATF, up to Janet Reno, including Clinton, are, um... liars and murderers. Hahahahaha. And wait, there's more. I mean the implications are vast. You know, if the ATF and FBI had any honour, if there was any honour left or dignity on this planet, they would commit hara kiri, while first admitting what they've done, and they'd kill themselves. Because they are liars and murderers. "Oh, we had to bust the compound down 'cause we heard child molestation was going on." Yeah, if that's true, how come we don't see Bradley tanks knocking down Catholic churches? I'm talking if child molestation is actually your concern. "Well there was a methamphetamine lab on the..." No there wasn't.... They don't want the voice of reason spoken, folks, 'cause otherwise we'd be free. Otherwise, we wouldn't believe their fucking horseshit lies, nor the fucking propaganda machine of the mainstream media and buy their horseshit products that we don't fucking need and become a third world consumer fucking plantation, which is what we're becoming. Fuck them! They are liars and murderers. All governments are liars and murderers, and I am now Jesus, and this is MY compound.

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Yeah, V is much more different in the GN than he is the film. It's more difficult to classify him as a hero or a villain.
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haven't read V yet, seen the film and it's pretty cool. on my list of reads for damn sure. i did however enjoy the From Hell movie so if the book is better then happy days!

Dreiberg is my least favourite character. until he gets some pussy he's a total wimpy cunt.
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I thought From Hell was a really good film. I thought I could just half take it in, but I ended up sitting up and paying attention, which always marks out a film in my esteem.

I still haven't read my Death Notes, and I've got an appointment with Steig Larssen after my exam next week. We need a thread of recommended reads. *goes to fixxx*
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the film of From Hell kicked off my ripper-fetish. i read everything about the ripper murders twice over a six month period. sadly the freemason plot seems a bit fanciful and far fetched (but i always suspect that's what they want you to think).

i'm a fan of the original League of extraordinary gentlemen. i've just seen a 1969 edition being released but the main draw for me was the victoriana aspects so i'll probably sit it out.
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It was bonnie Prince Charlie, in the drawing room, with the scalpel.

Links to LoEG pl0x? I liked the Sean Connery one but wondered where it came from.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lea...nary_Gentlemen

the film was ok, the comics are better. the invisible man is a right dodgy cunt in the books, they catch him because a nearby all-girls school has had a number of "immaculate conceptions". he ends up screwing the league over so Jekyll fucks him in the arse and, apparently, it kills him.

Jekyll is amazing in the books. anyone who refers to aliens as "Sky-Wog Bastards!" is win imo.
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Read the link, gonna go get me some LoEG when my car stops raping my purse.

Also followed the link to The Portrait of Dorian Gray, I shall be buying that also.
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so...shall we discuss the just confirmed prequels. they're sans Alan Moore yet i still find myself interested in reading them. i just hope they don't fuck it up.

also, for aaron: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16968689
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so...shall we discuss the just confirmed prequels. they're sans Alan Moore yet i still find myself interested in reading them. i just hope they don't fuck it up.

also, for aaron: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16968689
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That interview is pretty great. Alan Moore interviews usually are.

My reaction to the prequel is "KILL IT WITH FIRE." However I will probably end up reading it out of curiosity, but I do not expect it to be much good.
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I'm so sick of arming the world and then sending troops over to destroy the fucking arms, you know what I mean? We keep arming these little countries then we go and blow the shit out of 'em. We're like the bullies of the world, you know. We're like Jack Palance in the movie Shane, throwing the pistol at the sheep herder's feet: "Pick it up." "I don't wanna pick it up mister, you'll shoot me." "Pick up the gun." "Mister, I don't want no trouble, huh. I just came downtown here to get some hard rock candy for my kids, some gingham for my wife. I don't even know what gingham is, but she goes through about ten rolls a week of that stuff. I ain't looking for no trouble, mister." "Pick up the gun." Boom, boom. "You all saw him. He had a gun."

moar I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. "I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs." "I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking." "Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!" "Shut up! Go back to bed, America! Your government is in control. Here's Love Connection. Watch this and get fat and stupid. By the way, keep drinking beer, you fucking morons."

All governments are liars and murderers. Go back to bed, America! Your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed, America! Your government is in control again. Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up! Go back to bed, America! Here is American Gladiators; here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom! Here you go, America: You are free to do what we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!

The Supreme Court says pornography is anything without artistic merit that causes sexual thoughts, that's their definition, essentially. No artistic merit, causes sexual thoughts. Hmm... Sounds like...every commercial on television, doesn't it? You know, when I see those two twins on that Doublemint commercial? I'm not thinking of gum. I am thinking of chewing, so maybe that's the connection they're trying to make.

I have this feeling man, 'cause you know, it's just a handful of people who run everything, you know... that's true, it's provable. It's not... I'm not a fucking conspiracy nut; it's provable. A handful, a very small elite, run and own these corporations, which include the mainstream media. I have this feeling that whoever is elected president, like Clinton was, no matter what you promise on the campaign trail – blah, blah, blah – when you win, you go into this smoke-filled room with the twelve industrialist capitalist scumfucks who got you in there. And you're in this smoky room, and this little film screen comes down, and a big guy with a cigar goes, "Roll the film." And it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before that looks suspiciously like it's from the grassy knoll. And then the screen goes up and the lights come up, and they go to the new president, "Any questions?" "Er, just what my agenda is." "First we bomb Baghdad." "You got it..."

I thought the whole thing was an absolute disaster and a débâcle. And if any of you had been watching public access and seen the footage which was not shown on any major news media source... of the tanks, Bradley tanks shooting fire into the compound. Which I think went against the party line story, which was that they shot tear gas in order to help the mothers and the children to get out to convince 'em. While they're destroying the compound, they're getting mom and children out, you see. The soft sell is definitely the FBI's way. And anyway, so the major news said that the Branch Davidians started the fire, if I'm not mistaken. Correct me when I go off the story here. All they did was shoot in tear gas? And yet I've seen with my own eyes, and my squeegeed third eye, footage of a Bradley tank shooting fire into the compound, which... isn't that odd that no major news source has picked up on that? You think that's newsworthy? 'Cause that basically means that the government, from the FBI, the ATF, up to Janet Reno, including Clinton, are, um... liars and murderers. Hahahahaha. And wait, there's more. I mean the implications are vast. You know, if the ATF and FBI had any honour, if there was any honour left or dignity on this planet, they would commit hara kiri, while first admitting what they've done, and they'd kill themselves. Because they are liars and murderers. "Oh, we had to bust the compound down 'cause we heard child molestation was going on." Yeah, if that's true, how come we don't see Bradley tanks knocking down Catholic churches? I'm talking if child molestation is actually your concern. "Well there was a methamphetamine lab on the..." No there wasn't.... They don't want the voice of reason spoken, folks, 'cause otherwise we'd be free. Otherwise, we wouldn't believe their fucking horseshit lies, nor the fucking propaganda machine of the mainstream media and buy their horseshit products that we don't fucking need and become a third world consumer fucking plantation, which is what we're becoming. Fuck them! They are liars and murderers. All governments are liars and murderers, and I am now Jesus, and this is MY compound.

The world is like a ride at an amusement park. It goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question, is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride..." And we... kill those people. Ha ha. "Shut him up. We have a lot invested in this ride. Shut him up. Look at my furrows of worry. Look at my big bank account and my family. This just has to be real." It's just a ride. But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok. Jesus murdered; Martin Luther King mudered; Malcolm X murdered; Gandhi murdered; John Lennon murdered; Reagan... wounded. But it doesn't matter because: It's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money that we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace. Thank you; you've been great.
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i was really intrigued by the promise of a minutemen 1940's story, then i saw how it was being drawn and just gave up. they seem to be going for a cartoony/anime-ish look for it and it makes me sad.
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